
It’s bad enough when the only people who are sucking the enjoyment out of the Cubs for me are other idiotic Cub fans, but now I can’t help but get sucked in to the cesspool of unexamined mental unhealthiness that is Sox Nation?
First there was Mark Buerhle’s perfect game, which deserves acclaim, naturally. But then the Manolantern poses an innocuous but fair question about how Buerhle’s game compared to Kerry Wood’s 20 strikeout game from 11 years earlier.
Let’s forget the fact that by any objective measure, it’s hard to argue against Wood’s game being more impressive. Not only did he do something that is rarer than a Perfect Game, statistically speaking, but the twenty strikeouts themselves would indicate that Wood was less reliant on his defense for his success than Buehrle. Buehrle relied on his defense to make 21 outs–Wood 6 (and only 7 balls were actually put in play all day against Wood). One need only look at DeWayne Wise’s circus catch in the ninth to appreciate that Buehrle was inches from not even hurling a shutout, while inches–and Kevin Orie’s terminal mediocrity (or the scorekeeper’s capriciousness–take your pick) also is what what kept Wood from throwing a no-hitter on top of his individual dominance–in fact, I’m pretty sure nobody came within 150 feet of a home run against Wood that day, much unlike Gabe Kapler’s would-be home run vs. Buehrle.
Still, I’d be willing to listen to an earnest and honest argument, if one was going to be made, in favor of Buehrle’s being the more impressively-pitched game.
If. Only.
The first comment in Buehrle’s defense had to be framed in that all-too-familiar ad hominem rhetorical device of attacking the Cubs, proving, as always, that the northsiders are never far from a Sox fan’s mind:
It’s this city’s undying love for the Chicago Cubs that will keep the score skewed in Wood’s favor. Which is unfortunate.
Who is up for clarifying – as if ESPN didn’t do so enough last night – whether the game Wood pitched in ’98 wound up being a perfect game? Twenty-seven up, 27 down… no?
No.
If you do a little research, there have been a number of “near-perfect games” pitched by mound-takers for the North Side ball club. Wonder if Cub fans will blame it on a goat, or maybe a fan’s interference.
I don’t hate the Cubs. But as long as the White Sox are around, I don’t have room to even *like* the North Side.
Wow. In answering a question about which game was more impressive, there was some brief talk about the impressiveness of perfect games in general (though no acknowledgment of the rarity of a 20K game) sandwiched around your boilerplate bitching-about-media-bias-for-the-Cubs, references to the billy goat and Steve Bartman, and a confession about him defiantly resisting the idea of rooting for the Cubs, as if anyone asked him, and as if it had anything to to do with the question in the first place.
How telling. And how typical of this odd breed of fans. I think he hit all his talking points on that one.
Most of the other comments from Sox fans in this discussion followed this same path–an inferiority complex pockmarked with an obsession with the Cubs.
But of course we’ve grown used to this by now. Sure, I had naively thought that the when the Sox supposedly won the World Series in 2005, that this would mark the end of this weirdness, but it’s actually managed to get worse.
And now it appears that Meth Nation has found their mascot, and it’s none other than this guy:
As Kermit first pointed out, and Wrigleyville23 nicely detailed, Steve Stone has suddenly become the composite of all of your standard stereotypes of White Sox fans. All he needs is to have his rug shaped like a mullet and a meth addiction, and it’d be perfect.
As I’m not privileged enough to receive Stoney’s Twitter, I do not know this to be true (and if I’m wrong, I’ll excise this), but I happened to hear that, in using Twitter to announce to the world how much of a petty, Cub-obsessed douchebag he’s become, Stone has not only tweeted about Milton Bradley on a nearly daily basis, but he hasn’t even offered up any tweets on Buehrle’s perfecto.
It gets better. As Dolan detailed last night, Stone’s now pathological obsession with the Cubs led him to completely fabricate a rumor about Bradley heading to Detroit, and managed to dupe some of our favorite patsies–one of whom is a member of the legitimate, mainstream, accredited media (albeit with pom poms and knee pads) who should know better.
Kermit mentioned how proud he was that he never liked Stone. While I won’t go so far as to say I never liked him, I did spend the years between 1983 and 1993 feeling he was a pretty milquetoast foil for Harry, who rocked my face off during most of those years. Stone taught me a few things about the game, but he mostly struck me as a non-controversial, nasally-sounding weenie. Toward the end of Harry’s life, Stoney seemed to start putting his big boy pants on and became a bit more outspoken, and his innocent weenieness slowly became arrogant smarminess.
Well in the past few weeks, Steve Stone has now become full blown total douchebag, and whatever credit I may have given him for his baseball acumen I take back on account of the fact that he is clearly an agenda-driven cock, who harbors resentment and envy at the Cubs like a jilted prom date. I’d suggest he get over it but, wrapped in the creepy cocoon of paranoid delusions that is Sox Nation, I don’t see it happening any time soon.
Meanwhile, the Cubs have gone 8-2 since the All-Star Break. Can the Sox and their ilk go back to their world and leave me to being angry at idiots like Carol Slezak instead?


Stone made mention of the perfect game twice:
I don’t know what he is trying to say there.
He doesn’t mention it again. In fact, his next tweet is the infamous rumor starter.
One of the biggest indications of Stone’s self-important assholery is the fact that he has magnanimously allowed 1,266 people to follow his tweets, and he, in turn, follows… nobody. Not one person. Not even his good “friend” Kaplan. Prick.
Stone has always known which side his bread is buttered on. He’ll ride the wave of attention he gets from kvetching about the Cubs just as far as it will take him. He may really have some hard feelings for the Cubs, but when you say he’s come to personify every White Sox fan stereotype, I’m pretty sure that’s the point. My respect for his baseball acumen was largely destroyed by his tendency to disparage any kind of even remotely sophisticated statistical analysis of players’ value, but my grudging respect for his ability to bloviate and self-promote has only increased recently.
The Sox may have sfound an even bigger douche drizzler in Darrin Jackson. Was listening to the game against the Tigers on Friday afternoon, when he popped this brain buster:
Who has the highest OPB? (select one):
A. Curtis Granderson
B. Placido Polanco
C. Brandon Inge
D. Gordon Beckham.
First off, I wonder what the answer could possibly fucking be? Perhaps the one Whtie Sock that is listed as a possible answer? Secondly, way to fucking cherry-pick your question. Why not include someone like Cabrera in there? No? Because that ruins your “cram sunshine up the ass of Sox rookies” policy. Thirdly, I wonder if Beckham’s “higher” OBP has something to do with the fact that he’s played only half the games of the other three, and his numbers have not panned out to normal levels. Lastly, he GOT the fucking answer wrong. I checked, and at the time, Inge’s OPB was slightly higher. Goes without saying Granderson has always been a power/speed guy and not an OBP guy, and Polanco has largely struggled this season. It’s biased shit like this that pisses me off. Say what you want about Santo being annoying, at least he doesn’t try to belittle the opoosing team. Pat and Ron are always ready to give kudos to a good player or a good play, no matter what team produces them.
When is Steve going on Kap’s show? I’ve got a couple winning questions waiting to be tweeted:
1) Does Steve still have/use the blue towel? (lounging purposes only, of course), and…
2) Does Kaplan jack-off to that photo spread daily, or throughout his daily activities?
I realize ‘yes, and often’ is the answer to both, but I’d love to hear the clever anecdotes.
Part of the problem involves having the discussion in the first place. Why do the Buehrle and Wood games have to be compared at all? Can’t we just say that both were impressively pitched, both were a defensive play away from being completely different (Wood’s game is perfect if Orie can make that play, or a no-hitter if he’s charged with an error), and neither has any actual connection to the other aside from taking place in the same city?
I’m relaxing on my giant baseball mitt right now. And I only a blue towel on, too.
The Cubs fans quoting on that site were kind of idiots, too. They kept saying “Nobody got the ball out of the infield against Wood.
Except:
and
and it JUST MIGHT HAVE BEEN a tough day to see the ball or an easy strike zone:
I don’t remember Shane Reynolds being a great strikeout pitcher. I DO remember saying “That was a strike???” several times.
It’s a tough call on which is better. On the one hand, Wood was awesome! I couldn’t believe he was mowing them down like that. On the other hand, a PERFECT GAME. I don’t know whether it’s more impressive to power past the batters or fool them so badly that they weakly hit the ball.
Like I said, Moon, the ball hit by Kapler was rather well hit and, but for the heroics by Wise, would have resulted in the game not even being a shutout.
I should also correct myself by pointing out that that 7 outs–not 6–were made by Wood’s defense and that 8 balls–not 7–were put in play all day. Still pretty bad ass.
And my point wasn’t so much that Wood had a btter game–which, in my opinion he did–but that the arguments in favor of Buehrle were simply manifestation of the contemporary Sox fan’s psyche, and how much that psyche is shaped by what happens with the Cubs and their fans.
Steve Stone’s blue towel, Monica Lewinsky’s blue dress – yeah, I see a trend there.
I don’t understand how it’s even a question whether Wood’s 20-K game or Buehrle’s perfect game was better. Wood’s game is arguably the best-pitched nine-inning game ever. Period. Also, fuck Kevin Orie.
This is the first I’ve ever seen of the “game score” for pitchers. It’s an interesting stat, and you can make a good argument that it’s a good descriptor – pitchers are rewarded extra for outs they record without the defense (Ks), which could be used as an indicator of “dominance”. It looks like a good illustrative tool.
If somebody is feeling especially ambitious, I’d like to see what the scores look like if the points system were tweaked in such a way that hits, Ks, BBs, etc. were scored based on win shares, runs created (use the negative of RC to judge pitcher effectiveness), or another similar stat. The only thing I don’t like about the stat is that it uses only whole numbers, which suggests (even if this isn’t the case) that the scoring is somewhat arbitrary. Deriving the scoring from existing statistics would make it more quantitative, whereas right now it appears to be more a way to qualitatively compare pitching performances, with a veneer of numerical objectivity.
Any ideas on how to put it together? How could the impact of the defense be minimized (without resorting to zone charts of balls put into play or other extremely time-consuming methods)?
@StPatrick –
Hey you’re the scientist, St. Pat. You tell us
Then, on the other hand, Wood HIT a guy.
It depends on what you like. Power pitching vs. control. I like them both.
You are saying there aren’t any Cubs fans with mental problems?? Hee hee.
You know who he hit, right? Only the guy who is the all-time record holder for getting hit by a pitch.
Craig Biggio was a smart player. He knew how to take one in the ribs, and also knew that this was the best chance he had of getting on base.
Puppies or Babies.. I’m not quite sure which I want to hit more after reading Stoneys twitter.
Also, Cub fans definitely do have mental problems, no doubt it. I’m as neurotic as the best of them. But at least our mental problems have to do with, you know, the team we root for, rather than a team from the other side of town that we don’t root for.
Still, if you saying that Buehrle’s perfect game is somehow tainted because DeWayne Wise made a great play, it needs to be pointed out that Wood was wild on at least one pitch.
Focus on the team and the pitcher (Buehrle) or primarily the pitcher and the catcher (Wood and ?) – you can argue this until WS fans stop snortin’ and mulletin’ and you’d still be no closer to resolving it.
@CactusMcHarris – How dare you forget the name of Sandy Martinez? HOW DARE YOU!?
Come to my site and talk shit, you worthless fucking faggot. You stupid bitch.
What the fuck is all this Steve Stone shit from you faggots? What the fuck do you care so much? Steve Stone is a brilliant analyst and he really knows baseball. Do you really fucking care about the ‘gossip’ side of things? Of course you do, you’re like an adolescent little girl.
And who the fuck cares which game was more impressive? They’re both really fucking impressive in different ways. Only idiot sports fans who were never good athletes obsess over garbage like this.
And what the fuck is “Hire Jim Essian”, a fucking Armenian Cubs contingency? Go hire Andy fucking Dick you imbecile. Don’t link to my fucking site until you get up the balls to admit that ‘Bad News Cubs’ is hands down the greatest Cubs blog in existence and that you read every word I write. I couldn’t get past the first fucking paragraph of your bullshit. So fucking boring.
I swear, you faggots are like soap opera fans who hated Alexis on Dynasty. You seriously spend time thinking about Steve Stone. Honestly.
@Bad News Cubs – Did your mother not hug you enough when you were younger???? Just asking…
@Bad News Cubs — Please, swear some more and use more homophobic slurs; for sure it almost forces people to take you seriously. It also really helps you get your point across, if your point is that you’re a self-loathing closet homosexual who still feels that the overuse of harsh language is cool. High school is calling, they need you back by 8.
@Bad News Cubs –
Who the hell’s Alexis?
Project much, ya queer?*
*Not that there’s anything wrong with it.
Also, Mike, if you only read the first paragraph, how’d you know the article was about Buehrle vis-a-vis Wood?
I don’t think you’re being very truthful there, junior.
BNCMike is a douchey stupid fucking faggot face.
@bncmike: quasi papal outfit!
BNC’s mother took nine months to give birth to him… from her ass (because he’s feces). See what I did there? 9 Months–>Feces. Classic Joke.
I dont mean to spoil BNC’s party, but Carrie happened to slip me in 2 days ago, did anyone else notice?
My being really, really queer has very little to do with how much Steve Stone sucks. But the gang at Spin and Sidetrack will be glad to know that BNC Mike is on to them, and their evil plot to ruin baseball with math.
[Flips purple boa over his shoulder and flounces off to watch Falcon Crest while charting hitting zones on a hot pink excel spreadsheet.]
@Bad News Cubs – Your hyperbole only serves to undermine the very point you try to make.
awww, dammit. now i need to find a way to top BNC Mike’s crap to be the comment of the week? man, fuck that guy.
So I just checked out Bad News Cubs for the first time.
You gotta get this guy in on a podcast.
@Bad News Cubs –
are you the landlord from the strangerthaneviction blog?
The detailed Dynasty reference screams homosexual, but the in-your-face vulgarity encasing his homosexual thoughts, reek of an adolescent/early 20 something, stuck in his grandma’s basement.
So I am undecided as to how my judgment should land. Though, I think Dr. Kenneth Noisewater hit the nail on the head with his assessment.
I called Alf’s grand slam last night. Well, what I actually said was, sometime around the 10th inning, I turned to my buddy and said “Hey man, this game is gonna end with a homer.” Then, boom. I also made a bunch of jokes to my buddy about how I was totally eating all his nachos, which is kind of like not picking up the check. Can I have a job as a color analyst and a guest column at Bad Words Make Me Feel Like a Big Man Cubbies blog now?
I just want to say that even though Bad News Cubs is a douche, Andy Dick would be an awesome Manager. Just sayin…
@Bad News Cubs – Kiss me with that mouth?
Bad News Cubs is right. None of you fucking faggots ever played sports in your fucking lives. Only comment on great games other athletes have. You’ll never know the feeling of having a teammate throw a no-hitter in legion ball and running onto the field and embracing him. Giving high 5′s, chest bumps, and fanny pats. You faggots were probably too busy playing Nintendo growing up. Worthless pieces of shit.
And about Steve Stone, he’s just stating FACTS. Milton Bradley doesn’t have that many RBI’s, that’s a fact. Zambrano and Dempster have a shitty total of wins. Steve Stone taught all of you little faggots how to play winning baseball. WINS and RBI’s are what counts. You get WINS when you score more runs than the other team. WINS and RBI’s, stupid shit heads. That stupid fucking shine, Milton Bradley has ZERO wins and like 27 RBI’s. Fuck him.
And for those of you who are going to call me a racist or homophobe. I have a LOT of gay and black friends and they don’t care about me calling them names playfully or wearing black face as a joke or telling them their mom is a whore. It’s jokes you’ll see in clubhouses for teammates that love each other and spend weekends traveling to games, spending time in each other’s hotel rooms on road trips…etc. Faggots.
@Mark Giangreco Roman Wrestler – Bad New Cubs, just because you have no friends doesn’t mean you have to post under a different name. We all know it’s the same guy because no one else in the world talks as laqughably as you. And for being such a brilliant sports blogger, I’m wondering why you wrote “Milton Bradley has ZERO wins”. Maybe because he’s not a pitcher.
I actually think Gary is a bit more eloquent.
okay Mike BNC, I mean Mark. I’m confused– did you just get back from your Pro team practice or finish pitching a no-hitter? Because unless you did, you’re in the same boat with the rest of us, un-hi-fived, un-chest-butted mortals.
That’s cool that your friends don’t mind what a socially backward, ass-hat you seem to be, good for them. You seem like more of a closeted homosexual, than a simple homophobe, but that’s just my faggot opinion.
I think the main distaste towards Stone, and his credibility, is the fact that he works for The White Sox organization, but can’t seem to stop jacking it about the Cubs. Much like you continuing to come on this thread and type your sad vulgar hate rants. It really only projects as you being sad and pathetic.
In other news that we actually care about– where’s the new muskbox?
BNC,
Your obscene bloviations, fetid though they were, have a tremendous appeal to your audience, composed as it is of mainly 13 y/o boys. Too bad that there are precious few of those guys here, but I suppose you need to do a little more (1) market research (2) relaxation.
Bad New Cubs, just because you have no friends doesn’t mean you have to post under a different name. We all know it’s the same guy because no one else in the world talks as laqughably as you. And for being such a brilliant sports blogger, I’m wondering why you wrote “Milton Bradley has ZERO wins”. Maybe because he’s not a pitcher.
He was pretty clearly parodying and mocking BNC’s position. You can tell because 1) People who played Nintendo growing up are awesomel, 2) Wins are a lousy metric for measuring pitching efficacy (which I know MGRW knows), and 3) Black face? Really? That didn’t clue you in? I mean, at that point you should absolutely be able to tell.
@blueslack – plus MGRW has been here for years.
@Mark Giangreco Roman Wrestler – Nicely done, MGRW, well played indeed. The rest of these splooge guzzling, ethnic homo’s are apparently to busy playing Excitebike while they suck cocks in their whore-mother’s basement to pick up your sarcasm, and you were laying it on pretty damn thick. I second blueslack, the blackface bit was pretty priceless.
@blueslack – wow I totally glazed over that. You had me sold.
Guys, not to ruin what’s been an epically enjoyable comment thread so far, but that’s not BCN Mike.
And the guy who posted under Daniel Kamen? Probably not him either.
ha- my bad Mark. sometimes shit just gets lost in translation when you’re all caught up in an interweb tangle, when you’re really supposed to be working.
What? Ramon Castro is an All-Star catcher now? This is the first time he caught Buehrle, IIRC.
Well, what do we think of Buehrle now??
He broke the record for consecutive hitters retired. 43 in a row.
Beat that, Wood.